My son wanting ELS because of fear of reinjuring in PCP or Crucible and not able to join another branch

My son has been in MRP since Oct. 15th with a stess fracture to his tibia.. he was two weeks away from graduation. I did get to go see him on liberty.  It is my understanding that he and other recruits with him have been given the infromation that if they are injured after going to PCP or back to training that they will be discharged under inability to acclimate to training environment.. So at this point he ais  giving up hope of having a military career at all. He says that he thinks that he will get reinjured and that at this point he feels  like at this point he does not care what branch he just wants to know that he will be in the military and feel like an easier boot would gaurantee that.  He feel like he has e been in MRP for so long that his body will not be able to complete training. PLEASE tell me if you know whether it is true that they would not be able to join another branch if reinjuring during PCP or training.

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The most important thing your son can do if he wants to stay in boot camp and become a Marine is to stay positive. Its hanging in there and hanging tough everyday. 

Anybody at anytime can be injured or re-injured.  Only God knows the future. 

My son, too, had a stress fracture his left tibia a few days before the Crucible.  He spent 7 weeks in MRP before returning to duty.  I had to call him just now and ask him your questions.  He said he wasn't told anything about what would happen if he reinjured his leg so I can't help you there.  He did say he was afraid that he would get hurt again just because he knew he would be going right into the Crucible.  However he got clearance to RTFD and did just fine. His leg ached a bit but no injury.  We have a family friend who was a highly decorated para jumper in the Air Force. He emailed me. I printed it out sending it to my son. This retired hero told my son to take the time to 'heal and heal well'.  I am telling this to you because your recruit will heal.  He will make it to the EGA ceremony.  At some point this fear hits all the broken recruits in MRP.  Pour on the motivation. If you know any military personnel have them send your son a motivational note.  I would have them send it to you to forward rather than give out your son's address unless they are good friends. 

 

I am so sorry your son is injured.  I am sure it weighs on you. Being stuck in MRP during the holidays doesn't help.   I have been in your shoes. Keep doing what your have been doing all along - encourage.  Send his favorite magazines, funny stories or cartoons.  

 

You could probably call the recruiter and ask if your son is discharged would he be able to join another branch of service. My pompus, know it all response is - why bother? You have a Marine in the making and he WILL complete his mission.   Feel free to email me if I can help. Your recruit will be in my thoughts and prayers!

My son had stress fractures in both legs and a fractured heal.  He had just 2 weeks left when he was injured....he recently graduated after 7 weeks in MRP and PCP.  He said that they MIGHT be telling recruits that because they do NOT want them going to PCP or back to training before they are healed risking reinjury.  He said that he was IT'd for over an hour to make sure he was not just saying he was good to go back to training.  They want recruits to HEAL before returning to training.  My son did just fine...he said the Crucible was a challenge but it wasn't as bad as he thought it would be and his legs held up fine.

@ Lea, that is what I tell myself to get through this.. I never really wanted this for him until he stepped on that bus and now it is all that I want for him, because I know that this is his dream and has been since he was a little boy. I am leaving it in Gods hands.. pray for his will. I know that if he doesn't make it - then he wasn't supposed to in the first place..but worry what it will do to his spirit. His faith has grown through this so I know that no matter what - he was meant to be there. @ Proudone I have been doing just that... haven't taken my sweaty, tear filled, dirty cheer leader uniform off and am not going to. It is just so hard watching him struggle. He did get 2 days of liberty because he made it to T-52 and we watched his original platoon (Alpha 1010 - honored platoon) graduate. It broke my heart watching him fight tears off and on and sucking it up to congratulate every Marine that he could. Only to tear up on my shoulder in private and say " I shoulda been a Marine today". @deblynn Our recruiter really never has info and if he does it turns out to be inaccurate..but while at MCRD I was able to meet his original SDI who met us hours after graduation in his civies by the base billeting. He told me that my son was one that he hated to drop... he had even came and got him from MRP for several events like final drill and the Tyra Banks show ect. He told me that if I ever needed anything to contact him. I did text him earlier and he said that if he reinjures and it is not curable that what I heard was indeed true ... howver if it is then there will be no ELS... he will have an opportunity to heal again.. He told me that when he gets back to SD on Wednesday that he will go see him and get him a longer phone call as I have hardly been able to talk to him since liberty and his letters are scattered thoughts... not alot of info..or at least not the info that I want the most or the time to tell him what I find out... Glad I have that contact though. He had told him that even though he would like to see him back in training before the next Alpha cycle that he would love to be the one to pick him up again. Made me sooo proud. deblynn11... he needs more positive recruits to spend time with.. can friend request me so that we may exchange names of our sons and maybe they can motivate each other? I do send him all the "moto" (as he calls it} that I can find... along with his fav song lyrics, quotes, scripture ect. he shares it with all...From what I hear they love it. When I got there for liberty there were 10-15 boys that had requested that they be able to come out and meet me... felt good. They all stole my heart immediatly!

 

I'm not sure either, as this is the second time my son has been injured and sent back to MRP.. He already spent two months in MRP this summer, and now he's back again. He is very discouraged as well. Some say, they would not be ELS'd even upon second injury unless they have been at boot camp at least 180 days and it also depends on the extent of the recruit's injury. But I've been given mis-information as well.

Im curious OP... as my son had a fractured fibula and foot, was your son in San Diego or Parris Island?

OPSEC0123 said:

My son had stress fractures in both legs and a fractured heal.  He had just 2 weeks left when he was injured....he recently graduated after 7 weeks in MRP and PCP.  He said that they MIGHT be telling recruits that because they do NOT want them going to PCP or back to training before they are healed risking reinjury.  He said that he was IT'd for over an hour to make sure he was not just saying he was good to go back to training.  They want recruits to HEAL before returning to training.  My son did just fine...he said the Crucible was a challenge but it wasn't as bad as he thought it would be and his legs held up fine.

Hi, My son has been in MRP - SD -  since Oct. 11.  Is your son SD or PI?  What I was told by a DI in PCP in SD, who gave me the briefing the day my son had liberty (the DI in MRP wasn't available), was that they try not to send them to PCP until they are ready, but PCP is to get them back into shape so they can rejoin a platoon and to make sure their injury has truly healed.  He said sometimes, a recruit's injury won't be 100% healed, and if that's the case they go back to MRP to finish healing.  He did NOT say they go home; he said sometimes they need a bit more time.  In all this time, I haven't heard of "inability to acclimate to training environment" -- at least not in a medical context -- but, my son said the Navy docs told him to throw in the towel and go home and re-enlist in another service.  That was really upsetting to my son as he is used to relying upon medical people for reliable info, but no one, Marine-wise, has said this to him.

 

Basically, I think that a lot of recruits are in MRP for a LONG time, and when healed, PCP gets them back in shape and they can re-train to finish with another platoon.  Re-injury is always possible, and I have heard that the Marines look for a 180 day total length of time or they send them home.  The one recruit that I know of that this happened to (he had 2 tours in MRP) was told they would happily accept him if he re-enlisted within 6 months.  Therefore, to answer your question, if they get a medical discharge, go home, heal, they should be able to get waivers and be able to re-enlist in any branch.

 

I have also heard that the Crucible is not as taxing on the body as some of the training in Phase II -- and PCP should get a recruit is good enough shape to pass.

 

I know this is a tough time -- my son was asking these same questions a week ago, and it's heart-breaking.  My son is a bit different tho -- he's 29 and would be too old to join so it's stay and finish or never.   But then again, he was also told that he could get a waiver for age????  IDK, it's all very frustrating and heart-breaking, but the recruit I told you about that went to MRP 2 different times did not get an "inability to acclimate to training environment" discharge, so tell your son that's not a "definitely would happen" thing. 

I really wish the recruits could depend on the info they get, and that's most of the problem -- them getting reliable information.  But as others pointed out, some of it is to see if the recruits are strong enough to continue!! 

 

Through all of this, and others' experiences, it seems like the best thing is to stay and heal and finish.  Your family is in my prayers.

Mary

Hi Group: 

One thing to know is that each recruit's medical condition is different and the time that it takes to heal will depend on their condition and what the doctors say.  It is my experience since moderating is that most recruits who are injured and in MRP and PCP have the fear of reinjury.  All you can do is write to them tell them to keep positive and that you know they can do it, and that the medical staff will not release them to PCP or back into training until they are ready.

Maria (Mom-NY)
MFN Manager of Boot Recruit Groups
Mom of Deployed Marine

"You can't stay in your corner of the Forest waiting for others to come to you. You have to go to them sometimes.” ~W.T. Pooh

Well I can only speak for MY son and HIS experience (@ MCRD SD), but the medical staff pretty much did what HE wanted.  He asked to be moved up a phase so that he could get off crutches and they did it.  He asked to be moved up a phase to begin working out and they did it.  He asked for a return to full duty chit and he got it.  That's why they IT'd him for over an hour I guess.  Part of being a man is taking care of yourself physically....however, most of these kids have not had to deal with the medical profession much on their own so they are lost if thrust into this situation.  It's one thing for which I should have better prepared him....but you live and learn I guess. 

How did this work out for your son... If I may ask?

OPSEC0123 said:

Well I can only speak for MY son and HIS experience (@ MCRD SD), but the medical staff pretty much did what HE wanted.  He asked to be moved up a phase so that he could get off crutches and they did it.  He asked to be moved up a phase to begin working out and they did it.  He asked for a return to full duty chit and he got it.  That's why they IT'd him for over an hour I guess.  Part of being a man is taking care of yourself physically....however, most of these kids have not had to deal with the medical profession much on their own so they are lost if thrust into this situation.  It's one thing for which I should have better prepared him....but you live and learn I guess. 

Oh... I am sorry... haven't been on in a minute and now I see that it worked out just fine for him... thank you all for your replies.. :)

 

Is your son feeling better and more encouraged now? How's it going in MRP? Is your son in MRP San Diego.. My son is there and will be there through the holidays.

proudkcmom said:

Oh... I am sorry... haven't been on in a minute and now I see that it worked out just fine for him... thank you all for your replies.. :)

 

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